I don't share that opinion. They are (french politicians) responsible for the vacuum they created and when mixed with the contempt they show frequently for the nation's souls, it leads to political confusion. U know without ever saying it clearly, explaining the motives short and long term interests at stake as well as strategy guiding their thinking and actions, by giving up the state currency and regularly pushing for more sovereign concessions to the EU, they have given up on their national brand, they have given up on their nation building ideal. Their followers are confused since it questioned not just the citizenship but also the identity of those that made of their citizenship their identity. U know think it was when the meeting took place in Caledonia, I said something about the risk there was for those ending up with an identity that is dissolving itself because the sovereign they identify with is engaged in a project to dilute itself and its citizenship in a bigger entity only minding the legal aspects of the transformation.... U get what I mean? Those confused by that then are made available for political adventures that's why the FCNM plays such an important role for many in Europe.

Think we already discussed that as far as I can remember and I haven't encountered since any argument leading to a review of how I look at it... why?

May be not but it is a very different place to be in charge and responsible of your own cultural heritage and what you do with it. The People is then on a very different footing, that's what does the FCNM turn the People into an actor of its own destiny and it affects a lot more than just culture or the use of the national language. It doesn't change on a false promise with borrowed money life but it definitely changes how you look at it, you are not anymore in a childish relation with the state under which the nation is administered and whoever represents it. The expected new relation marked by the mutual respect of the long term interests and the new tone of the dialogue in itself is part of the recipe to watch a renewed optimism and a new dynamic in the nation's economy.
It doesn't happen overnight I guess,  but that's the idea behind it. Anyway, where do u stand with the data?

As always there are two sides with their own ups and downs but what I did to make up my mind was to stick as much as possible to the most simple facts and what is right and wrong without any prejudgment of the effects too often biased.

My conclusion was without a doubt that the FCNM and the ECRML have a lot more more upside than downside, make a major contribution to peace and are the best remedy against all forms of extremism and their often violent subcultures.

In most cases, the ratification of these conventions has been the opportunity to underline the major contribution these native nations have made and the peace factor intervenes when the poor conditions under which they have lived is lifted as the conventions provisions are implemented and make progress. Simultaneously, extreme views and bitterness recede.

Are identity policies just wrong by themselves, either answer you choose, you are promised to end in the same place and that is how are you going to remedy the wrong identity policies of the passed, what they were whether you have answered positively to the first or witnessed the chaos in which these native nations find themselves dealing with a passed that once the state identity policies have said had no future? The most obvious is to consider, regardless of one's opinion of identity policies, what is the right thing to do to help these populations in dealing with their linguistic and cultural heritage in an interconnected society, securing their heritage future for the role it plays as a moderator and in the safety of their homeland.

That's what came to my mind but why did you ask? Don't know since I wasn't there but most of the time people that try to use the ambiguous designation of identity policies for the FCNM and the ECRML do it to throw dirt at it. Excluding partisanship these conventions pursue one goal which is to repair the wrong that has been done to a wide range of nations precisely under an identity policy umbrella when the long term negative consequences on the populations and their descent were ignored.

What's worrying you about it?

before I forget who is coming for the celebration? It may be an opportunity to collect more material that will help, m thinking of ECMI issues textbook on the "European Minority Regime" and depending on who will be there but some national material and research from Scandinavia may be available after a first contact.

It does as soon as u r ready

no I agree, it looks good it has never looked better, the folks have posted that for the first time they feel they have a chance to engage in a legal battle with a positive perspective to end decades of humiliation and spoliation. It is specially true that haven't been able to overcome the shame to be a speaker of a language with no future and to belong to a native nation the state in charge of its best and long term interests was openly and publicly neglecting when not egregiously mocking with assertions such as "we" being the state "will make a museum"... with a total disregard for the consequences of these words on the individuals and much worse given it was politicians on the national stage the consequences it had on the everyday life of those most exposed to the rest of the population  whose behaviours very much influenced by national stage leaders opinions expressed on tv thought and still think it allows nasty comments on these native languages, cultures and people...

Just chatting

R u done with it, I mean completely? If not that's ok there is no hurry for now since they are still in the process to select a law firm which make me think of what's your take on that? I haven't said much about it just mentioned that my preference goes to a Norway firm. They have the same understanding of the right and wrong saving the explaining and making sure we don't end up with people that do understand the legal challenges but don't necessarily get the moral issues and the consequences on individuals that belong to these minorities and how it undermines their life and their abilities something that can't be measured easily as it is different for every individual. In other words what crossed my mind and I think we'll see that argument, the negative policies, the lack of it (FCNM & ECRML) or a combination of both for that matter should have undermined everybody if they are to be incriminated denying the very personal dimension of how resonate for every individual the above. So given that, dealing with people that already agree but more, have thought it through a long time ago. It should be saving time and help secure quality.

Now, I am not quite sure  of what you meant. Let's say you have developed a strategic partnership in a highly sensible field with someone. If you had the capability, what would be the limits you give yourself to protect that asset given that your partner in this strategic alliance is a human that can have weaknesses, that can be lobbied, may have to deal with new players following political landscape changes and face a wide range of influences not always motivated by good? Again if you had the capability, would you investigate who's who trading with your partner in that strategic alliance, their motivation and pedigree even if to find out about them you have first to, let's say, invade some of your partner's privacy keeping in mind you are not interested in what's going on within that privacy other than protect your own investment by knowing as precisely as possible who can or wish to harm it? To be honest I would and think most would. Is it what you were asking me?

Not that I know

I do but it is ok

Well I mean what did you expect? Liberals were going to say that.... but let me tell you that is not the way I look at it and I don't know yet but my bet is I won't be alone.... (by the way how much) Tea Party fought with everything they had courageously in the face of a powerful administration and the billionaires liberal news elite promising an economic armageddon. They want to say Tea Party lost well, Tea Party didn't not fight for Tea Party but for the American People they represent in Congress, is there pride at squeezing a minority in Congress, the American People may not like that and Mid Term elections coming next year will tell. Sen Cruz took the stand and he did it courageously and I'd say he took a serious option at being a possible front runner for the Tea Party in the next Presidential election. Now there can be only one winner and that is the American People if finally the deficit cone under control and the overall debt stops to increase which is not the case yet and finally if the Affordable Care Act doesn't turn into an ever increasing premiums race worse than it has ever been. Again time will tell.

no it doesn't matter we have time, can't wait for the final results after the first set you mention that were confirming what everybody expect anyway the convention and the Charter are a life changer for the folks.

Are you done with the data?

no kidding me!!!! I meant it is certainly not the native speakers of the languages that come under the ECRML protection or those who wish to be able to enjoy their culture that come under the FCNM protection that oppose the ratification is it???

How many Euskadi native there is in the french parliament?

think it will be Sen Reid

You will face opposition anyway.... I mean who today oppose the ratification and implementation certainly not elected natives the few you can find in the french parliament regardless of which nation they are from

Senate conference

No but you know how it is it will be for the Court on a case by case basis but right now whoever made poor decisions even in their personal life under the circumstances provoked by the policies the French state is engaged in regarding the minorities both the FCNM and the ECRML should be protecting, will now be able to engage in a Lawsuit as we have enough to compare with the minorities that are under the protection of the two conventions.

Thanks it looks really good, it is what I expected but it is great news, it is going to widen big time the horizon of the lawsuits.

Yes I do and why I like the Constitution that is so unique in the entire world. The Law needs the President's signature while the President can't dictate what the Law should be. A so unique guarantee that the majority of the elected Congress, the Government of the People, will not see imposed by the executive branch any decision against the People's will. Kicks in the second guarantee, the President can veto the law should a very large majority in the Government neglect strongly the minority in the Government and the interests of the People they represent.

actually flooring

Difficult to say u would have to go through the archives to find out what's easy to find is how it was solved after a 5 days partial shutdown of the nonessential federal services, the deal reached allowed for 75-percent funding for four weeks, and President Clinton agreed to a seven-year timetable for a balanced budget which addressed the root causes of the deficits.
There is common sense in such a deal since raise the debt limit without addressing the underlying imbalance between revenue and spending is only the promise to increase the debt today and tomorrow. If you add to that the funding of part of the welfare programs with debt, you have the recipe for in the future probably sooner than later the promise of a massive tax increase to face the debt created by the funding of these entitlements AND the promise of even a bigger cut in these programs when finally the bill kicks in and society finds out it isn't free. I don't know, I remember that you frequently supported creative social legislations but I haven't change my mind really about it, I oppose systematically any social spending that isn't funded in a balanced budget, Greece is the most recent example and there are plenty more, when finally the bill kicks in the beneficiaries of these programs are asked to pay for it and they can't.
Have you found the archives u were looking for? 

don't think so but I think the data will show when we're finished that not just the FCNM does what it was designed for, which is to protect cultures, languages and the rights of the native speakers to do so in every aspects of their life, it looked at fist sight at the data, the crossing should confirm, that the simple fact the FCNM is signed, adopted, ratified and implemented has an effect on the native speakers not just collectively which it does but also individually. The enlightenment that follows for those individuals propping them to a greater comfort and self confidence improves considerably their chances to succeed whatever they pursue. As a matter of fact, nothing new really if you read all the debate around the FCNM and its adoption but that set of data could be key to observe that the lack of status for the native speakers doesn't just undermine the right to collectively use a language in every aspect of life but it more directly undermine the native speakers prospects in every area of life in ways denied today.

Check this out, was a different situation but well u know "

Clinton Vetoes Borrowing Bill -- Government Shutdown Nears As Rhetoric Continues To Roil followed a shut down from the date the article was published until November 19th and a couple of days later technical problems with the borrowing limit were possible "The government's authority to borrow will also be depleted, probably Wednesday, although moments after the veto Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin took emergency steps to avoid defaulting on the nation's debt."

Well you see it isn't the first time and it didn't prevent President Clinton at the time to veto the bill he didn't like despite the risk of default so the accusation of playing with fire isn't appropriate, is it?

What have u read today?

Nope, the House is in recess but Senate is debating, m watching and by the way ru?

Haven't done much of it today, how is doing the key tables format

She's a great American isn't she? She made me laugh when she went "whoooo we contain government....", guessed she underlined that she thinks likes us can like appearances and simple thinking even if we don't. Though far from underestimating the consequences of a shut down, if it is what it takes to get everybody around the table to address the root causes of the spiraling debt, it is worth it may say Tea Party and depending on how it is worded because it shouldn't be insensible, it can be understood. Would you?

She's quite somebody the lady, no, haven't seen her before

Who did you watch, I saw Chairwoman Mikulski and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

I know, I have crossed the first ten for the FCNM state reports manually and will forward it to u tomorrow.
Have been watching the floors at some point but what most surprised me are alleged reactions coming from China and other foreign investors in Treasuries, am I wrong or I don't get it, what do u say? As a significant holder of US debt, what would worry me most would be to see that no one is watching the debt spiral and a neurasthenic Congress voting debt ceiling increase after increase with no protest at all. There is something definitely reassuring in the debate opposing the White House and the House Majority, of course there is as always a downside to it as well but with in mind there was no Tea Party likes in Greece to say STOP and the fiscal and debt level have very little in common anyway but still, it is a fact that at the height of the fight to defend the US credit worthiness and actual Treasuries holders interests, the House Majority by its action whose goal is to tackle the deficits and spiraling federal spending looks to me the best guarantee for investors that a significant part of the Government is committed to long term solvency and very active to insure the budget is sound and fiscal responsible.
Didn't it cross your mind, I mean as an investor if I see a bunch of yes guys voting let's borrow more, spend more, it should worry me, not the contrary?

just eager to see how it ranks, have some guess in mind but if the data confirms well

I do understand the President's office authority argument but I don't look at members of Congress any member with contempt whatever view they express. I tend to view all the institutions as one serving the People, everyone deserving respect.
One's fear the unsustainable level of indebtedness confiscating the political future and promising a record level of taxes changing the nature of the free enterprise economy can let her or him think a chosen and orderly debt restructuring with structural reforms reducing federal spending and non essential programs be a lesser risk worth the pain in the best interest of the People's Freedom shouldn't be viewed as extreme. There is a legitimacy to ask prior to any authorization of more borrowing the plan for a budget and the set of spending policies to be adopted addressing the situation that lead to reach the debt limit.
Would have it change the terms if the leadership had laid out the longer term plan for the budget slim down addressing the issues that lead to reach the debt limit something that shouldn't have happened prior to ask Congress to increase the borrowing limit?
By the way do you know if Congress has ever passed a piece addressing volunteer duties training, organisation and related insurance issues? Was thinking of closed Memorials and in case hard times were to last, m pretty sure Vet volunteers would be glad to maintain these sites open though it has to be done in an orderly fashion and security issues addressed.
How is it going with the data?

this is extorsion... but alright go for it

two WE free of charge with my now finished racer leaving u to pay for the gaz and the transport though u kill the engine u get me one

Not that I know but given u haven't been recalled yet as far I know and can access the data and the network so  we can enter talks....

Can u do me a favor http://widgets4.weforum.org/ is the heat map, crossed with the FCNM state reports ranked for the most advanced economies with the OCDE key tables in Education, Economics, Environment and Health? Development for the others?

no idea yet

Just checked again and it is 11/25th to the 29th.

I guess the surprise is who it comes from as usually you expect from someone teaching in a university to at least know the bottom line, there are no flaws, The Founding Fathers had an extensive knowledge of man kind, no illusion and a petty opinion of the powerful today called the top both the top they knew and the top they expected. Thought everybody knew.... to understand the Constitution you have to read the federalist papers and the letters they wrote to one another, the philosophy behind is not just about tyranny that is for sure a flawed understanding of the Founding Fathers will.... They knew a new kind of powerful would eventually emerge making their way and grabbing one by one the joysticks of power while step by step confiscating the People Freedoms and Rights, they knew the powerful would be again in a situation to govern against the People's interests. So yes the Bill of Rights and the Constitution were written and adopted with in mind the future and steps to insure the balance of powers would ultimately stay on the People's side. Why these men chose to decide that the People has more wisdom than the top remains a mystery but that is where they wanted the power to be whether or not that cause or can cause some headaches to the top is frankly very very secondary. Since the Founding Fathers were at some point the powerful and the top, their expertise of the possibility of the lack of wisdom and credibility at the top is not only precious but help to understand why they wanted the Constitution to be a powerful tool to fight the top's order and why there is a possibility for the legislature to deny the funds the Gov wants.
Would you agree on that  and what are your plans r u still coming for the FCNM celebrations?

I was honestly more probably due to the fact he looks sincere when exposing his motive to declare the Constitution flawed... but may be he just never read the Federalist papers u know

First time

have u heard before I meant

wondered at first how he made his way to the forum but I guess all opinions are welcome what have u been up to?

actually I laughed to start with cause I thought it was some crazy extremist arsehole but then I saw he's teaching in Princeton....

just wondering have you had the time to read that one? http://forumblog.org/2013/10/is-the-united-states-fatally-flawed/
Is it just me or that guy is a real weirdo?

don't know there is a glitch
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He got back home just on time for the shut down....  Meanwhile, they went to a conference in Strasburg on september the 26th regarding the outstanding success on the language policies implemented and illustrating “that the European Charter has been an important contributor for the protection and the promotion of minority languages in the Nordic countries”. The European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages has become a useful instrument for the safeguard and development of human rights in the everyday life of the citizens there with in mind the latter (m posting the link to it, but the page I guess you guys want to have a look at is p12. Talking points were Euskadi and Corsica as well as another couple of nations including Breizh that can't be held back the way they are today. The set of policies adopted and implemented in the North of the continent have proved to be outstanding success as confirmed by the WF new index, the political football at the expense of these nations and their long term interests has to end.

not sure when but I guess he'll catch up to Faifield sometime next week. will let u know as he posts.

Would the Founding Fathers shake their heads? I guess it is rather candid but I believe they 'd be delighted at the idea to witness YET another generation of Americans aged today 12 to 29 or may be 10 to 27 to find out there is a life with non essential federal services shut down, a growth of Government I often wonder they'd be supportive of at least as long as the Constitution and America's security isn't endangered. Of course, the economy matters and a default wouldn't do any good to anybody but question the legitimacy of members of Congress taking seriously unfunded spending in non essential federal services only harm entirely the People's Congress, they deserve the credit to courageously stand for their principles and ideals that built this great country they today serve. In their decision to upheld the will to see Congress adopt a balance budget, they are the promise of a decent future and a healthy economy no matter how unpopular the view that the Government cannot successfully in the long term be a wealth redistributor be.