I don't know.... but for sure the overall balance needs the citizenry to act responsibly meaning the institutions don't hold by themselves long term.

m almost done you

It was generally speaking I meant that it looks difficult to say that legislate from the bench is wrong doing when the citizenry allows itself to turn the Courtrooms into political meetings attempting to get from the bench what the consensus has delayed, refused most of the time failed to reach within the legislature.

Had a glitch on thursday night... What r u guys doing?

Well yes that's among the motives keep passions at bay.

U tell me tomorrow then but I think I made up my mind.

I got it, as far as I know u share the view that legislate from the bench creates more problems that it solves any and when I saw the "unintended" thing make a come back, typically, the debate will turn the Court room  into a political meeting, that's wrong and counter productive. The separation of powers aren't just to be pretty, it is, should be the reminder that ultimately everyone's behaviour counts in the pursue of their own ends.
The legislator guiltiness search among the unintended consequences will inevitably lead to political arguments over the nature of secrecy laws and their use, a debate that has nothing to do in a Court room.
A failure to act from the legislator over a lasting unattended consequence of a legislation whose result is to alter definitively the due course of justice should can easily find its way in Court with a non political debate over and only over was it technically and constitutionally possible to write a piece of legislation to end the private interests sheltering by the state secrecy laws aimed and only aimed at protecting the state national security in due time to avoid the private interests wrongdoing to definitely escape the course of justice.

There was something else that crossed my mind

That's one u could have done... Just kidding

no kidding there are no incentives, why should there be any given u r only doing what u should do which is get involved in matters directly impacting the economy u live in....

well I don't know yet but I feel comfortable with it, among the consequences of the secrecy laws private interests were sheltered, whether or not the private interests involved have played a role and lobbied the legislation or the documents classification is irrelevant, altering the course of justice. A legislator intervention was needed to end what obviously was not and could not be among the legislation goals before this unattended consequence of the secrecy laws lead to permanently barred any lawsuits against the private interests involved. The legislator failing to act in a timely manner to allow the due course of justice to take place, whether or not any lawsuits be successful or not is irrelevant and don't need to be discussed at this stage, has engaged the State's responsibility.
Look right now at this minute I can run with that but have it chewed overnight and we'll see tomorrow how it tastes.
WTO - set a deadline, do my share over the next couple of days

That's why I don't be drawn in there... it is a mistake. We just don't know and we won't know, was it unintended, was there any hidden intent in it....? This is speculation, it will allow all kind of adventure and crazy stuff and a welcome distraction.... What counts is what cannot be questioned and that is, is there an unattended consequence regardless of whatever were the goals hidden or not of the secrecy laws? Answer YES, there is. Are among the legislator duties to remedy any unattended consequence of a legislation? YES Has the legislator failed to act? YES.
We should stick to that.

What's the level of intent of an unintended consequence?

Told u I don't be drawn in that debate and I think it is a mistake if it was what u guys had in mind.... It is second guessing of the legislator and speculation it will end up dead on arrival...

What is it that makes u think that.... If I write unattended it isn't unintended... u pain !

I just can't believe it... The drafts are out now for more than 48 hours I haven't read anything from any of u two but u had time to change my stuff....

With which section I end up with? We'll keep talking decide with what we r comfortable running with and turn to the lawyer with everyone's ok

I agree but still, so far the Court may not have paid a lot of attention to that but I believe it will for the foreseeable future, every breach of the understanding of the Rule of Law fairness is a breach of power. I never said that the legal techniques should be written under the understanding of the Rule of Law Fairness, what I wanted to emphasize on was that the breach in the understanding of the Rule of Law Fairness is more than a lack of understanding of the legal implications and techniques. It goes deeper it questions further than education, to neglect it undermines considerably more than just a Court order or the Court itself. That said, u can't either allow one's view of Fairness to write the Law or guide its understanding while a decision can explore and answer how is questioned the Rule of Law Fairness under these circumstances. Think that's what I meant...

well, the entire system relies on the common trust we share in the rule of law fairness. That's the heart of it so every time that fairness can be questioned it needs to be addressed....

Don't know for sure will have to wait for the law firm answers but what I have tried to do is look further the legal issue and unintended consequences of adopted legislations can't be counted for... it is a common place, it goes with legislate. Now when u fail to act on unintended consequences, can the state get away with it, that's what u r dealing with.

Not that I know - Ur week in Strasburg liked it?

How we do the splite then

ok

This is an extract of President Alvezedo final address "With these measures on trade facilitation, agriculture and development, we have achieved something very significant. People all around the world will benefit from the package you have delivered here today: the businesses community; the unemployed and the underemployed; the poor; those who rely on food security schemes; developing country farmers; developing country cotton growers; and the least-developed economies as a whole. But beyond that: we have reinforced our ability to support growth and development; we have strengthened this organization; and we have bolstered the cause of multilateralism itself."
But to be absolutely honest I m not done with all the documents and it would be good if we could share the task, let me know who has got time (documents are here) I don't see how the worse off ot the middle class in developped economies will benefit from that round...
However a small group of countries — Cuba, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Venezuela — have also recorded serious reservations about what they considered to be imbalances in the package in favour of richer countries, and the absence of provisions barring discrimination in the form of trade embargoes on goods in transit.
It may be the sign it is more balanced than at first sight. I'll check tonight to find out how we share the task if it is alright with u

With all due respect as usual I very much doubt that....

I don't know for sure but to me that's how I'd put it. The Court should go ahead with it as the facts are yes the course of justice was altered, no doubt, and no, think the debate around it will prove that, the state's secrecy laws goals were not to alter the course of justice it is rather an unintended consequence. That said, if, as a result the private parties involved cannot be anymore prosecuted and that, because the state secrecy laws involved have prevented the due course of justice to do so, there can be little doubt that the state which provided unwillingly but actively a shelter to these private parties will have to take up the role they can have in a legal suit both because the state laws provided a shelter to any private parties involved in wrong doing but overwhelmingly because it fell to act to prevent the unintended consequence to become permanent.

Well could have but I always wait for my last candle to go off and it was then a bit late

I know I have read except for Acuta think I got the wrong IP

Not bad really

Tomorrow taking place in Strasbourg (France):

Round-table event to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities

The Council of Europe Advisory Committee on the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities will hold a high-level round-table event on Monday, 25 November 2013, to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the Framework Convention.

It is hoped that this intensive session will provide a dynamic forum to discuss how to ensure that minority issues continue to have a high profile on the political agenda and contribute to maintaining peaceful democratic societies in Europe.

Link to the programme 
Link to the list of participants 

France will not be represented and not a word will be said about the situation of the minorities under French administration that could greatly benefit from both the FCNM and the ECRML. Sadly, instead of discussing the prioritisation of the urgencies connected to their situation, they are left dealing with how to express their frustration.

m not sure think her name is Pukkeenegak but m not sure if you write a card for them check.

Hopefully they will come on the 25th and you will see Aguta and his wife have some very funny stories.

I just happened to think it took place in many different places that are may be were remote, no kids easily forget that when officials from the city came to visit the school everyone had to be out of the classroom, standing silently on the playground as the officials were leaving after the visit with the elected locals every kid know walking right behind and doing all kinds of faces and obscene gesture while a small crowd of locals outside school are smiling and clapping hands on the French officials way out, leaving very happy to see they are so much appreciated.... with every kid knowing they are clapping the obscene gestures made in their back...keeping it quiet with a straight face. u know it was good training.
Never talked of that with the others but I guess they have had the same. Today this is gone.

what day you fly?

He's sulking since he will have to withdraw money from his bank account.... :-)))

We did but u can't win + u r late. If the guy had been of Laos descent, alright his passport would say French citizenship - Europe, describing the suspect to warn the public of dangerosity and collect information you would do what?
We even thought of another kind of security issue, let's say a small kid has disappeared and you decide to best describe the kid to collect as fast as possible information to find him, would you yes or no mention his ethnicity if it would help identify him faster?

Alright but you don't define citizenship when responding to a security crisis and describing a suspect, if you bow to pressure and give into political correctness you put lives at risk and that is just another example, it is not the first of its kind but still

u r a cheat but it doesn't work everybody agreed they bowed to political pressure and that is off limits the political playground

no no no more spin... it is a done deal

I know u r tight but :-))) no matter what you will have to give the money come on

well you lost and you will have to pay

No kidding, these are official bets all dues to be paid in Strasburg. Right now we have Bowed to political pressure 6/1, Who is the first ever French Press will grill to find the truth as to why such a terrible mistake exposing the public to a dangerous criminal was made the French President is at 10/1 Valls is at 6/1 Nobody as usual 1.1/1.

Ok I will collect my dues in Strasburg.

Eager to find the truth the question is who is going to be grilled first?

I guess the Press is going to pressure big time everybody involved in the call for witness to find the truth as to how such a mistake endangering every member of the public was made to define a suspect with a criminal record of cop killer accomplice appearing on so many surveillance cams.

Why r u? It looks very much comparable with Merah's rampage and the circumstances around the suspected military personnel and quite frankly it all depends if it is a mistake and just a mistake or if the public was deliberately abused and exposed for political motives... I know what you think but I don't know yet given he was a cop killer accomplice why they would willingly bow to political pressure now it doesn't explain why a cop killer accomplice appearing on several surveillance tape has not been identified sooner?
Your take?  how much ?

Yes I do. Why? It doesn't come to me as a surprise.

Best deal may come with a flight from Oslo to Frankfurt

Through Germany I guess - I'll have a look - Through GOH - RKV KEF - CPH but doesn't come cheap

It gives you a few days to go there given you have a plan to fly to Strasburg for the FCNM 15th anniversary, they can look for the best deal if you don't mind a couple of connections.

I don't know about that I know the Sami Nation still does since in some remote areas there are no broadband and the satellite would be costly so the radio still good.

Well they were very good to me when I first visited and ever after, you will like it.

it was about the new quotas and a change to take into account the new legislation so a stake was sold, u can find it on the website and anyway a legislation very similar applies on mainland.

Undercurrent tracks it

Seen anything new

Well I guess they got a good deal out of it even if it will make their life a little more complicated however it depends a lot of the policies in place not to mention the security ressources increase a new population engaged in mining will make mandatory but... Have no objection though the more you get the better, it is always interesting.

When do u plan to leave, do you plan a halt at GreenLand?

no a ceiling... why

I believe it should have been done, it is much better than allegations that ultimately insinuate that there is a countless number of people that can be incriminated at least suspected to read the headlines involved according to the allegations which is absolutely unacceptable when based on one isolated incident, one facebook page and one suspected headline of a paper with as far as I know a relative confidential distribution.

And the answer to that is yes... so what should have been done is ask the minute guys to come on air, no insult, no allegations, to explain themselves with two essential things people want to know given these folks have a future together, if they don't, they don't have to but if they do have a future in the same society they will have to talk and understand each other.
1)Your front page has caused a controversy, what is it that you wanted to say with these headlines?
2)Let's be honest did you ignore there was a risk of misunderstanding,? You took that risk why?
And the People will judge.

Told you, you could have had let's say another lady you heard of, Mrs Precresse instead of Mrs Taubira with the exact same headlines and what you have to ask is can you have the same common understanding of the headlines incriminated for the two ladies regardless of the photo you are looking at?

I know I heard it but it doesn't work that way

No kidding...

What do u mean by wh? Well, he was able to say a few words in Hebrew without losing any of his frenchness it should pave the way to prove that a few words in Corsu, Euskaraz and Brezhoneg  won't no more lead to any Frenchness loss...

I did I did it proves there is hope...!!!

No I haven't and m even a bit late but will try to catch up this we.

well let's see the documents all together and how we manage

May be do u have more tomorrow?

I don't know since it hasn't been part of the program as its main focus was to explain all the positive outcome to expect from the ECRML and FCNM implementation not only on the Nat Minorities but on society at large and given the situation on the economy.

U will never get through Uncle Sam's checkpoints, it won't work

:-))) don't think it will fly if you print a Provisory Scandinavian Passport....!!!

Still a lot but it depends on how much help we can get, for the Norsemen it is more difficult since the French have said in the passed and I doubt they would change that, they don't match the UN definition of a Native Nation even though their land is called Normandy it doesn't mean anything and can't therefore be on the UN list of Native Nations to be decolonised. They come from Scandinavia may be a long time ago but it is not a Nation if they don't like it they can go home. If some want to how they do that?

How did it go?

alright same time

You have it right now tell me how much though if we go for both lawsuits

I know but I bet they did it unpurpeous, only racists will connect Black with the fruit banana and the monkey thing all the others will connect for the monkey part with a very common place in French about someone very good at cutting corners to get things done and having the banana with someone upbeat to not mention literally the male state of excitement.

That's because it's in French... If u like it is rather gross and unusual in politics but close to What's up ...?  My D... u know what I mean and in that case the banana is the D... do u get it?

They will all look stupid, all of them and I think this is what it was designed for and sadly it worked.

What's for you tomorrow

I have made pretty good progress and the data returned from DC looks ok

Doubt that, I suspect they set the elements for the French politicians to fall in a trap of their own making, they will publish in a couple of days or don't know if it is a daily or weekly thing the same front page with the exact same headline but another politician photo, it won't spark anything and they gonna embarrass everybody saying the first front page was only racist for the racists since the headline was she's smart and upbeat in popular terms. Terrible people.
But terrible politicians as well, my goodness, what a bunch of dummies!
Anyway how many left you have?

No kidding, u mean of that paper the minute guys

Have they? There was something in the FT yesterday, can't believe it for a paper hardly read I'd think

I m not sure that's what it meant but....

Just wondering.

Good. When u r done do u plan to make a pit stop at Faroe?

Alright how did it go?

That's ok saw the question mark and wondered. How is the weather ?

Unless you want to change anything but that is the essence of it and what for we'd like an opinion understanding, if the law did damaged ie the collective and or the individual rights to speak.....all of the above.... it does open the door for the Court to compensate individuals and with an inquiry when it comes to evaluate the consequences of state economic policies that have damaged the local economic sectors that play key roles in sustaining the considered Native Nation or Nat Minority.

All the other countries have made the choice to make equality before the law a positive right. You don't want that belong to a Native Nation ( ie FCNM as National Minority) plays a role before the law and you don't want the law to negatively impact the collective and individual rights of a Nation or Nat Minority to speak its language, celebrate its culture and mind the underlying economy that sustain it. This is what he will expose in Oslo since everybody agreed on that at the latest Caledonia meeting.

They may... but the end game will be the Human Rights understanding of the EU Court and that is equality cannot be turned into a weapon against any Native Nation whether this Native Nation is under French administration or not. But guess what we'll have a confirmation soon when he is done with the meetings.

No point... That I don't know since from a legal point they are in the western world rather isolated to understand equality as being eventually a negative right.

I doubt he will, he's in Oslo for the next few days for meetings with law firms to check the costs. I don't know about that.

hum... no told u. There isn't any, what they have is the classic competition of interests between the Native Nations and Immigrant's interests and that confrontation, depending on economic conditions is more or less intense... u know they have a bit of a messy situation because for political gains they involve a racism dimension to it that doesn't exist instead of having an orderly debate over the Native Nations Rights, the ECRML, the FCNM and an appropriate Immigration policy on the other hand minding the knowledge Immigrants need to have of the Native Nations history and rights.

well... may be but why should you?

Due to what?

Not that I know or heard of, they don't have any.... it is all about political gains rather than any true problem with a well organised clandestine racist organisation

Alright. The chatter says it was and it looks to be another major security failure.

It's all a matter of where you are....:-)) It was Independance Day march in Warsaw and despite a call from President Komorovsky urging Poles to celebrate this day together not one against the other the outcome score wise is slightly higher than in Paris, 210 arrested, 14 or so police cars burnt down and violent clashes erupted all along between marchers some supporting Independance, others opposing the march calling them fascist... and both fighting with the police. Half of the people taken into custody are said to be foreigners mainly German leftists.
So altogether...

No idea why they do their job like that ... I guess it has to do with politics